Adam Gurri

So it's definitely distorting.

I mean, this goes, this isn't even a liberal point, right?

This goes back to Machiavelli or further.

But it's definitely, you can't, you can't have a functional liberal, liberal order and, and,

and just let that go on you have to do something about it hopefully beforehand but too late for that now can can the something be as simple as uh an aggressive taxation system or does that be more dramatic than that yeah i mean i think it can be it just depends right um it it can and should be sometimes the politics of that is hard so you arrive at it through other means um so for example uh

When Lincoln won office, the plan was not to abolish slavery.

The plan was to pass a series of laws that made slavery as uneconomic as possible to grind it out so that it would eventually go away.

And that was because he knew that he did not have the political support to end slavery until he actually was fighting a civil war about it.

Similarly, again, if you already have the overmighty subjects, they're very powerful.

You can build a coalition that can find angles to grind them down until they are weak enough for you to do more direct things.

This is the way I would put it.

And antitrust traditionally is one of those ways to go about it.

It is hard.

I agree.

Um, part of that is also the way that our court system works.

It's really, we have, we have a very expensive court system.

Um, and, and we have a ton of protections, um, that are supposed to be in there, you know, due process protections that in practice are very hard to actually fully get unless you have very good, very expensive lawyers.

Um, uh, so that, that's part of it.

Um, but even then you usually wouldn't get away with things like that.

Um,