Adam Gurri

But in as much as there is a tension, it's between left communitarianism and liberalism again.

And it's treating some of the groups in identity politics as groups rather than thinking about the individuals in them.

But yeah, I don't know.

Given the way that the country has been in the last 10 years, it hasn't been a big area of focus for me, frankly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I think...

To return to the point about the tensions with democracy, I think

the core value of democracy is not that it's going to guarantee you a liberal outcome.

Though, again, you need that sort of baseline level of liberalism for it to be a democracy at all.

But the core value of democracy is it's a peaceful way to litigate these issues.

It's a peaceful way to compete for power with people who aren't liberals.

And that is why... So there's, I think...

A lot of liberal philosophers tend to think about liberalism at a system level and like, okay, here's the legal system we ought to have.

But what, again, what I like about Levy in particular, but what needs to be said too is you can't just have a liberal system.

You have to have liberals fighting for liberalism in the liberal system.

You have to have people organizing in political parties that are liberal pushing for a liberal agenda.

You have to have people with magazines and newspapers and publications and podcasts and videos arguing for trans rights.

People aren't going to just buy that on their own, right?

Yes.