Adam Kucharski

And then they're kind of very nailed on to having to keep promoting that.

And I think it is, there was one that one of the government advisory committees I sat on, you know, so a lot of early alpha variant, early delta variant, early severity came out of this group.

And there was a phrase that became used quite a lot, which was tell me why I'm wrong.

If you have that discussion where you want to get criticism, if you present stuff and especially people are more senior and say, is this correct?

It's very hard for people to kind of come in

and say, oh yeah, actually I spotted a problem, especially if there's power dynamics or seniority and other things.

So I think there was a lot of that thing where people present work and be like, right, tell me why I'm wrong.

Tell me what I'm missing.

And I think that's quite a healthy attitude in that kind of environment to be much more, you know, looking for weaknesses and be able to kind of lay out.

And I remember actually, I think it was when, was it the gamma variant is sort of emerging in Latin America.

And I gave a media interview and when they wrote it up, it was basically, you know,

Dr. Kucharski doesn't really know was the kind of way.

But in that situation, we didn't.

And it is hard to do because I think, you know, especially people asking you questions around your area of expertise.

I think in terms of how to balance that, not just saying, I don't know, but saying, well, we do know this.

And we can make some judgment.

And there was this wonderful study in 1951, it was by a CIA analyst.

And it was about words we use when we're unsure and words about judgment.

And he basically realized that people use probable and possible to mean all sorts of things.

And they all had kind of different notions.