Adam Leventhal

Yeah. Even the culture you're creating, like even the culture that we're creating here. Oh, for sure. Go figure out how new employees experience it to understand what it actually looks like.

Because even that has changed and you lose track of it over the years and how it's practiced.

Because even that has changed and you lose track of it over the years and how it's practiced.

you've got to fill the car with gas, but a road trip is not a tour of gas stations, which I really like, by the way, it's delightful. And he was like, but people only heard a road trip is not a tour of gas stations. That's right.

you've got to fill the car with gas, but a road trip is not a tour of gas stations, which I really like, by the way, it's delightful. And he was like, but people only heard a road trip is not a tour of gas stations. That's right.

That's not what I said. Listen to the whole thing.

That's not what I said. Listen to the whole thing.

And knowing when, I think one of the dangers of just following expertise is that you're cargo culting without understanding the rationale. You are doing the things that you're being told to do without understanding whether they apply to your business, how they should apply.

And knowing when, I think one of the dangers of just following expertise is that you're cargo culting without understanding the rationale. You are doing the things that you're being told to do without understanding whether they apply to your business, how they should apply.

And then I've also seen this in folks doing things at one company, coming to a new company, trying to do it the same way, and not understanding the differences that made them successful that then make them unsuccessful in the new company.

And then I've also seen this in folks doing things at one company, coming to a new company, trying to do it the same way, and not understanding the differences that made them successful that then make them unsuccessful in the new company.

I think something out of Silicon Valley.

I think something out of Silicon Valley.

Yeah, I was, I mean, it is a narrow joke. I mean, I just, I didn't know.

Yeah, I was, I mean, it is a narrow joke. I mean, I just, I didn't know.

Yes.

Yes.

Especially because as we, as we've talked about years ago on the show, like Steve jobs, I think is not fully understood or appreciated in, in terms of like how he operated when, when he succeeded and when he failed.

Especially because as we, as we've talked about years ago on the show, like Steve jobs, I think is not fully understood or appreciated in, in terms of like how he operated when, when he succeeded and when he failed.

In terms of what you were saying about experience, I just feel like these reductive views of Scully versus jobs or founder mode versus management mode, Like you want founders who are thoughtful and it's sort of like also good at ignoring things. I mean, I think one of the, one of the spoke, I think briefly to this kind of notion of paralysis.