Adam Leventhal

And... What will surprise maybe everyone except for you, Brian, is how much self-doubt I had over the concept. I went back and looked at our chat messages. Oh, yeah. If you go back and look at our chat messages, you probably were in a meeting and I was like, hey, I have an idea, which is here's kind of the idea of it. And you're like, that's a neat idea. Or you could just use the XZ image.

And... What will surprise maybe everyone except for you, Brian, is how much self-doubt I had over the concept. I went back and looked at our chat messages. Oh, yeah. If you go back and look at our chat messages, you probably were in a meeting and I was like, hey, I have an idea, which is here's kind of the idea of it. And you're like, that's a neat idea. Or you could just use the XZ image.

And I don't know whether this was like you thinking about... Oh, I'm so sorry. No, no, no. I don't know whether this was like you thinking, well, this is not going to work. Like, let me save you some time. Or you thinking, you know, you do technically like have a job and this isn't particularly it. So maybe you could do that instead.

And I don't know whether this was like you thinking about... Oh, I'm so sorry. No, no, no. I don't know whether this was like you thinking, well, this is not going to work. Like, let me save you some time. Or you thinking, you know, you do technically like have a job and this isn't particularly it. So maybe you could do that instead.

yeah completely unrelated with you yeah no i was really not trying to say no no so i so i just i mean again it's like you gotta you gotta understand my self-doubt going into this so the the the image is i thought i'm gonna take this x you know we're talking about the xz backdoor with andres freud which is just a really fun episode i was so i would i mean amazed kind of brian that uh

yeah completely unrelated with you yeah no i was really not trying to say no no so i so i just i mean again it's like you gotta you gotta understand my self-doubt going into this so the the the image is i thought i'm gonna take this x you know we're talking about the xz backdoor with andres freud which is just a really fun episode i was so i would i mean amazed kind of brian that uh

Coming out of his interview with Kevin Roos of the New York Times, you were able to score this great interview. So awesome to get Andres on the show. And of course, what comes to mind is this XKCD image of the stacked up blocks with an arrow pointing to a part maintained by a thankless Nebraskan or whatever for decades.

Coming out of his interview with Kevin Roos of the New York Times, you were able to score this great interview. So awesome to get Andres on the show. And of course, what comes to mind is this XKCD image of the stacked up blocks with an arrow pointing to a part maintained by a thankless Nebraskan or whatever for decades.

Totally. And thinking, okay, cool. Like, let me remove that block and see what happens. And so I plug, I was like, I think this will be a really neat image. I plugged into chat GPT, chat GPT gave me something totally unusable. And I went, you know, I feel like I do this a bunch with chat GPT, like again, maybe surprising, surprising everyone for you, Brian, but

Totally. And thinking, okay, cool. Like, let me remove that block and see what happens. And so I plug, I was like, I think this will be a really neat image. I plugged into chat GPT, chat GPT gave me something totally unusable. And I went, you know, I feel like I do this a bunch with chat GPT, like again, maybe surprising, surprising everyone for you, Brian, but

I like when chat GPT is very wrong, I just keep at it. I just, I'm like, no chat GPT. How about a little bit of this? How about a little of that? And I get in arguments with it. And it's like, this is a two dimensional image. I'm like, chat GPT, you have given me a three dimensional image. Like, I don't, I don't know how to like, we're kind of at loggerheads.

I like when chat GPT is very wrong, I just keep at it. I just, I'm like, no chat GPT. How about a little bit of this? How about a little of that? And I get in arguments with it. And it's like, this is a two dimensional image. I'm like, chat GPT, you have given me a three dimensional image. Like, I don't, I don't know how to like, we're kind of at loggerheads.

And then I've had chat GPT say like, basically let's agree to disagree. Like just kind of using its managerial techniques to, to get me to back off. Yeah.

And then I've had chat GPT say like, basically let's agree to disagree. Like just kind of using its managerial techniques to, to get me to back off. Yeah.

So then I downloaded not one, but several physics simulators. I finally got one to work. I think it's built in Java. I drew the thing. I got some image that looked okay, downloaded it to my son Will's iPad where he has an Apple Pencil, and I traced it with the Apple Pencil to get the XKCD style back onto the computer. This is all during an all-hands and stuff. I'm trying not to have this...

So then I downloaded not one, but several physics simulators. I finally got one to work. I think it's built in Java. I drew the thing. I got some image that looked okay, downloaded it to my son Will's iPad where he has an Apple Pencil, and I traced it with the Apple Pencil to get the XKCD style back onto the computer. This is all during an all-hands and stuff. I'm trying not to have this...

He listens to this podcast. He may be a little... I mean, yeah. During an all-hands that I was paying... Hey, look, I wasn't doing a crossword puzzle or something.

He listens to this podcast. He may be a little... I mean, yeah. During an all-hands that I was paying... Hey, look, I wasn't doing a crossword puzzle or something.

Exactly. And then it just came out great. I was really pleased with how it worked out. So great, in fact, that I've seen it like... used in other people's podcasts, which was a little surprising. And then I got a little uppity about like, hey, how dare you steal our images? And then I looked at all of our other images, which is like mostly me stealing copyrighted material.

Exactly. And then it just came out great. I was really pleased with how it worked out. So great, in fact, that I've seen it like... used in other people's podcasts, which was a little surprising. And then I got a little uppity about like, hey, how dare you steal our images? And then I looked at all of our other images, which is like mostly me stealing copyrighted material.