Adam Leventhal

So that's kind of the, those are the kind of the two poles.

And I think what we have, what we believe, what we've already seen,

is that there is a big, big, big middle ground.

And in particular, what we have seen is LLMs can actually be used to result in more rigorous engineering.

And it's actually not even that hard.

I think that there's... And I've got...

I've got some specific and recent experience.

Adam, maybe I could lead off with that before I introduce our colleagues.

So I have been exploring using Cloud Code to do kernel work.

We've got our host operating system is Helios.

It's an Illumos derivative.

And I had some like...

what I thought was a good, you know, you always have to want to have like a good first task for these things.

Just like when I picked up Rust, I wanted to find like the good, like what is the right thing to try Rust on?

My first thought of a doubly linked list ended up being that was the wrong idea.

That was the worst thing.

So, okay, let's not do the worst thing.

Let's do a different thing.

Um, and I mean, just, and actually, you know, you kind of had the same experience with rust of like picking up, not a great first thing, although not deliberately.

Right.