Adam Leventhal

Right.

Which I actually don't care because I actually am... And because one of the things that... I mean, when people consume software as a service, especially like the more niche it gets...

the more important it becomes to your business and the easier it is to have a real disconnect with your software provider.

And I mean, Steve, at Oxide, you were very much on the front lines of us replacing SaaS software with software that Steve wrote.

That was, I mean, Steve, you were...

Because you're going to get like, hey, my SaaS vendor, they're charging me too much money.

Or you get like the case we had, like, actually, I would gladly pay more money if you delivered us actually the software that we actually need.

And in this case, it was for PLM, product lifecycle management.

But the...

You get these kind of esoteric... I mean, esoteric is too strong.

But these things that are very important to the way an organization operates, that your software provider just doesn't... They don't care about your software as much as you do.

I mean, this is what... That old adage that no one cares about your money like you do.

Nobody cares about your software like you do.

And I think that the ability to build custom software...

And I think, by the way, this is going to be a real source of... We're going to have a lot of young people that thought they were going to be working for Google and Meta and so on that are maybe not going to be.

And they may instead be working in the kind of more mainstream economy, writing software, using LLMs to write software that's very relevant to... You know what?

Yes.

Yeah, interesting.

Yeah, interesting.

And yes, maybe Salesforce ends up being the kind of the victim of that, of people being able to build this stuff easily on their own.