Adam Serwer

and just becoming a party just for white people.

And he does that.

It's not simply a question of morality, although it is that.

It's the fact that black people can't vote for Republicans anymore.

So what's the point?

And I think that to some extent, this is the larger agenda of creating an electorate that is whiter and more right-wing so that these issues of social, racial,

religious gender equality simply are not viable issues for either political party to pursue.

Arguably, it took a third American revolution to fix it the last time.

So I can't say I'm optimistic in part because that revolution, the civil rights movement, was based in a network of relationships and social connection that needs to be rebuilt in an era of social media atomization.

The barriers to these kinds of movements being constructed in the same way are tremendous.

But, you know, if you look at a place like Minnesota, it can't happen.

No, I mean, look, but there are no permanent victories.

You know, part of the folly here is that Republicans think

That if they do this, that people will eventually stop wanting to be free.

But it didn't happen in the 1890s.

It didn't happen in the 1920s.

It didn't happen after the Red Summer and all those massacres and riots.

It did not happen after the lynchings of soldiers coming back from World War I and World War II.

People are not going to give up.

But that doesn't take away from the evil, in my view, of what's being done and the conscious malice with which it is being done.