Aditya Chakrabortty

It's impossible, right?

So there's a lot for people to protest about.

And what you see time and time again is that the two main parties, and we've had a lot of the Tories, and now we're getting our bit of labour, is they can't really answer those questions properly.

with the speed or the scale that voters seem to be demanding.

I have some sympathy with what you've just said.

I just want to make a kind of counter point to that, which is for most people, most of the time, politics isn't something they think about.

It intrudes into their lives at particular points.

Actually, you have to be pretty bothered to go out and vote on a Thursday for who runs your local council.

So for most people, it's not a thing.

And when they mean they hate Keir Starmer, say, they probably just mean they hate the Labour Party.

It's just that he's the guy who's there.

Five years ago, they were saying they hate Jeremy Corbyn.

They hate the Labour Party, really.

And when they say they hate immigration, it's always really notable to me.

And I noticed this a lot when I was reporting on the Brexit referendum, that I could go to a small ex-mining town in South Wales and they'd say, I hate.

all these migrants who are coming over.

And I say, but where are the migrants, madam?

They aren't there.

But let's take that seriously.

What is that telling you?