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But is it really possible to divorce those two things, to separate them? Wouldn't the perception be a problem, especially for a news organization that receives government money?

But is it really possible to divorce those two things, to separate them? Wouldn't the perception be a problem, especially for a news organization that receives government money?

Let me ask this bluntly. Why does NPR need federal funding?

Let me ask this bluntly. Why does NPR need federal funding?

Let me ask this bluntly. Why does NPR need federal funding?

And so could NPR and its local stations stay on air without that federal funding?

And so could NPR and its local stations stay on air without that federal funding?

And so could NPR and its local stations stay on air without that federal funding?

We started this conversation talking about NPR's lawsuit against the Trump administration. What is your contingency plan if it doesn't go your way?

We started this conversation talking about NPR's lawsuit against the Trump administration. What is your contingency plan if it doesn't go your way?

We started this conversation talking about NPR's lawsuit against the Trump administration. What is your contingency plan if it doesn't go your way?

The Trump administration has been in conflict with a lot of other institutions over issues that the administration and the president disagrees with. And some major universities, some tech companies, even other media outlets have negotiated with the administration. Do you see a way to compromise here? Is that something you're considering?

The Trump administration has been in conflict with a lot of other institutions over issues that the administration and the president disagrees with. And some major universities, some tech companies, even other media outlets have negotiated with the administration. Do you see a way to compromise here? Is that something you're considering?

The Trump administration has been in conflict with a lot of other institutions over issues that the administration and the president disagrees with. And some major universities, some tech companies, even other media outlets have negotiated with the administration. Do you see a way to compromise here? Is that something you're considering?

This episode has been updated. A previous version incorrectly said that PBS was the birthplace of Antiques Roadshow. The program was actually created by the BBC, and PBS licensed the show for an American spinoff. That's all for today, Thursday, May 29th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal.

This episode has been updated. A previous version incorrectly said that PBS was the birthplace of Antiques Roadshow. The program was actually created by the BBC, and PBS licensed the show for an American spinoff. That's all for today, Thursday, May 29th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal.

This episode has been updated. A previous version incorrectly said that PBS was the birthplace of Antiques Roadshow. The program was actually created by the BBC, and PBS licensed the show for an American spinoff. That's all for today, Thursday, May 29th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal.

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If you like our show, follow us on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. We're out every weekday afternoon. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.