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I can recognize why they feel betrayed by that and that a leader shouldn't do that and all those things. I can totally recognize that. But I guess what I was unaware of and what at least this book suggests is there was a conspiracy. There was a conspiracy to get him guilty of perjury. You have this woman, Linda Tripp.

I can recognize why they feel betrayed by that and that a leader shouldn't do that and all those things. I can totally recognize that. But I guess what I was unaware of and what at least this book suggests is there was a conspiracy. There was a conspiracy to get him guilty of perjury. You have this woman, Linda Tripp.

It's almost crazy to me that you actually know her and that all really happened to you. Like I have heard those tapes, but sitting here with you as a human being, I, it's hard for me to even comprehend that.

It's almost crazy to me that you actually know her and that all really happened to you. Like I have heard those tapes, but sitting here with you as a human being, I, it's hard for me to even comprehend that.

It's almost crazy to me that you actually know her and that all really happened to you. Like I have heard those tapes, but sitting here with you as a human being, I, it's hard for me to even comprehend that.

I at that time, even I don't know, how old were you at the time?

I at that time, even I don't know, how old were you at the time?

I at that time, even I don't know, how old were you at the time?

Who among us can identify with having a friend that you confide in? Right. Everyone needs that. It is essential for our well-being. You have your public life and what we'll talk about on this podcast. And then you have your very personal stuff where you need to air out all the embarrassing stuff, the shameful stuff.

Who among us can identify with having a friend that you confide in? Right. Everyone needs that. It is essential for our well-being. You have your public life and what we'll talk about on this podcast. And then you have your very personal stuff where you need to air out all the embarrassing stuff, the shameful stuff.

Who among us can identify with having a friend that you confide in? Right. Everyone needs that. It is essential for our well-being. You have your public life and what we'll talk about on this podcast. And then you have your very personal stuff where you need to air out all the embarrassing stuff, the shameful stuff.

So we all have had best friends. And anyone can imagine that our best friend, in fact, wasn't a best friend and that our best friend was intending to write a book about us and that our best friend was recording us and leading us and by all definitions, entrapping us.

So we all have had best friends. And anyone can imagine that our best friend, in fact, wasn't a best friend and that our best friend was intending to write a book about us and that our best friend was recording us and leading us and by all definitions, entrapping us.

So we all have had best friends. And anyone can imagine that our best friend, in fact, wasn't a best friend and that our best friend was intending to write a book about us and that our best friend was recording us and leading us and by all definitions, entrapping us.

I like to think everyone could identify that as just a really horrendous act from one person that, again, I bet if I was benevolent enough, I bet she has her own host of things she's overcoming. I mean, it's interesting that in these investigations, you will basically it's cool to commit a crime in order to expose another crime. Right.

I like to think everyone could identify that as just a really horrendous act from one person that, again, I bet if I was benevolent enough, I bet she has her own host of things she's overcoming. I mean, it's interesting that in these investigations, you will basically it's cool to commit a crime in order to expose another crime. Right.

I like to think everyone could identify that as just a really horrendous act from one person that, again, I bet if I was benevolent enough, I bet she has her own host of things she's overcoming. I mean, it's interesting that in these investigations, you will basically it's cool to commit a crime in order to expose another crime. Right.

And in fact, there's no crime really with what you guys did, but if we can get you to lie about it, now we have an actual crime. So you're taking one thing that starts as not illegal, having an affair, sure, shameful, all those things are true. Maybe there's moral imperatives, but legally not an issue. No one's going to jail for an affair, extramarital affair.

And in fact, there's no crime really with what you guys did, but if we can get you to lie about it, now we have an actual crime. So you're taking one thing that starts as not illegal, having an affair, sure, shameful, all those things are true. Maybe there's moral imperatives, but legally not an issue. No one's going to jail for an affair, extramarital affair.

And in fact, there's no crime really with what you guys did, but if we can get you to lie about it, now we have an actual crime. So you're taking one thing that starts as not illegal, having an affair, sure, shameful, all those things are true. Maybe there's moral imperatives, but legally not an issue. No one's going to jail for an affair, extramarital affair.