Al Robertson

That's so good.

I love it.

That reminds me, Al, whenever my story is similar.

I had a much better childhood than you did, Matt.

But the area that I lived in, there wasn't a lot of Christians there.

in my school and we were at the beach with the Robertson side of the family.

And now you remember we were sitting on the beach and Al, I was going into my senior year.

It was that summer at the beginning.

And, and I was just sitting talking with Al about my situation.

And he said, you should come to camp.

And they sponsored me.

Somebody paid for it.

In fact, I think your grandmother-in-law, Christian, paid for my camp that year.

So tell two mama thank you.

So I went to camp and really had a radical encounter with Jesus.

I had never experienced that type of emotional setting

like in Christ I'd never been like seeing kids that vulnerable and so there was a lot of weeping and I had a hard time at first like accessing that and I remember like thinking like dead puppies like trying to make myself cry like think of something sad and manufacture that's like that'll do it dead puppies will do it yeah so I'm thinking and I was trying to make myself cry because everybody else was but after that encounter I left and it was like such a fundamental change for me

and I think that's a good segue to your book.

Uh, and then over the years, like I think I'm for a few years, I kind of dismissed that as like a camp high and I'm sure there was some immaturity to it.

Um,