Alan Shearer

That was the push to try and catch those, wasn't it?

Especially after a match.

You think you're fine, then you hit the stairs the next morning and your knees start negotiating early retirement.

Well, yeah.

You did your job then.

Can you imagine the feeling, though, for him, Gerrard, then scoring a hat-trick?

You're a kid growing up and you've seen all these greats playing in these derbies and then the local boy goes and then scores a hat-trick against the rivals.

I mean, you know that feeling.

Definitely, yeah, because everyone who you're being brought up with and all the kids you used to knock around with at school and play on all those parks could only dream of playing in the derby, let alone scoring a hat-trick in a derby.

Have you scored a hat-trick in a derby?

Not against Sunderland, no.

Scored against them and missed against them, before you mention it.

Your last goal was there.

My last ever touch of a football was against Sunderland.

Yeah.

But for the local lad to do that is bloody amazing.

Yeah, but it lasts longer because we've spoke about all the positives of the local boy scoring a hat-trick.

Then you've got the other side of it, the horrible side of it, as in the local boy making an error.

which then turns into an error that costs the league.

It's like, so that you can imagine the hurt and the pain.