Alex Braczkowski

They're reacting to your smell and then they're reacting to the fact that you're a bipedal,

ape with forward-facing eyes.

They've evolved to be scared of us.

Yeah.

I think the honest answer that I have for that is that conservation is

is a game of giving money.

It's not a real game of generating money.

So it's chronically underfunded.

If you look at Africa, you need about a billion dollars.

That's what Jennifer Miller, Peter Lindsay, and those colleagues that did that study estimated is what you need if you want to safeguard the last protected areas in Africa with elephants and lions, a billion dollars annually.

Wow.

In order to save them, in order to effectively fund anti-poaching forces, fences and management authorities that are in charge of managing those animals.

Well, that's only a few nuclear submarines.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

So imagine that every year.

We obviously don't have that.

90% of Africa's protected areas don't have the money to be able to effectively safeguard the populations of charismatic animals that are in them.

And for that reason, we want to know, or at least I hope that we want to know, which conservation interventions and projects have the best outcomes for the conservation of animals.

So what are the activities that are going to save lions on the ground?