Alex Cooper

And I love how you've spoken about...

Society's expectations we're discussing obviously of women to stay nice and to stay passive and small and how hard it is if you are a driven, ambitious woman trying to make a big impact.

When we talk about dating for my audience, so many women I think then if they are going against the societal norms and they're like, okay, I'm going to focus on myself.

I'm gonna pour into myself.

I'm going to focus on being an individual.

I don't need a man.

I want a man, but I don't need a man.

Then it brings the whole caliber of, oh, God, then you have to potentially shrink yourself when you do find a man because you're so sure of yourself.

And that is terrifying for most men.

And so they're threatened and you're kind of trying to play the game and you can't be your full self.

Did you ever feel like you had to do that when you first met Barack Obama and you were an experienced lawyer and he was, you know, a summer associate?

It's not impressive.

Not impressive.

No, it's so inspiring the way that you are speaking about this because...

I remember I was so fortunate I got to interview Jane Goodall.

And she talked a lot about how she was still pushing and she was still going because she still wanted to learn.

And I think having an appetite to learn means you want to change and you want to evolve and you want to grow.

And I agree with you.

The power of the system works.

Basically fucking us being like, you're not enough and you need to be this.