Alex Gibney

So I've been coming here pretty frequently over the last year, probably a couple times a week. It's a workout for me. You're sweating. Yeah, I'm doing it to burn calories, so...

Very rarely. I receive them sometimes, yeah.

Very rarely. I receive them sometimes, yeah.

Very rarely. I receive them sometimes, yeah.

I'll take your word for it, it's okay. The person who's like, no, I'm good.

I'll take your word for it, it's okay. The person who's like, no, I'm good.

I'll take your word for it, it's okay. The person who's like, no, I'm good.

So.

So.

So.

It's hugely challenging. And I think in part because of what you outlined earlier. In other words, we're all cynical about, oh, sure, there's money in politics. We get it. But we don't really.

It's hugely challenging. And I think in part because of what you outlined earlier. In other words, we're all cynical about, oh, sure, there's money in politics. We get it. But we don't really.

It's hugely challenging. And I think in part because of what you outlined earlier. In other words, we're all cynical about, oh, sure, there's money in politics. We get it. But we don't really.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Yeah, but I don't think we really get it in terms of where it's got to at this point and exactly how it works. And so that's why and I had done this, you know, I'd been on this beat for a while. Some years ago, I did a film called Casino Jack in the United States of Money. And it was about disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who I give a sort of tip of the hat to in Ohio.

Yeah, but I don't think we really get it in terms of where it's got to at this point and exactly how it works. And so that's why and I had done this, you know, I'd been on this beat for a while. Some years ago, I did a film called Casino Jack in the United States of Money. And it was about disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who I give a sort of tip of the hat to in Ohio.

Yeah, but I don't think we really get it in terms of where it's got to at this point and exactly how it works. And so that's why and I had done this, you know, I'd been on this beat for a while. Some years ago, I did a film called Casino Jack in the United States of Money. And it was about disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who I give a sort of tip of the hat to in Ohio.

But that one was not that did not break through because people are like lobbyists, money. Yeah. What people need to understand is that we've created a system of legalized bribery. And I think most people don't really understand. Most people get emotionally the idea of a bribe and they're deeply offended by it. So if we replace campaign finance with legalized bribery. Now we're talking.