Alex Gibney

Sarah, just because they want to pursue a merger or other financial interests. But at some point, we all have to realize that we're citizens of a country that's supposed to stand for something. And unless we stand for it, it's not going to be here anymore. Because then it's just about the money. If it's just about the money, then we're a mob state. We're Al Capone's Chicago.

Sarah, just because they want to pursue a merger or other financial interests. But at some point, we all have to realize that we're citizens of a country that's supposed to stand for something. And unless we stand for it, it's not going to be here anymore. Because then it's just about the money. If it's just about the money, then we're a mob state. We're Al Capone's Chicago.

Sarah, just because they want to pursue a merger or other financial interests. But at some point, we all have to realize that we're citizens of a country that's supposed to stand for something. And unless we stand for it, it's not going to be here anymore. Because then it's just about the money. If it's just about the money, then we're a mob state. We're Al Capone's Chicago.

Well, I mean, I do think it's about the story. You know, I remember talking with Bethany McLean, who was the co-author of Smartest Guys in the Room when we were doing the Enron doc. We were going on the PR tour and the joke, which, I mean, it wasn't a joke, but the line that we would use every step of the way was, it wasn't about the numbers. It was about the people.

Well, I mean, I do think it's about the story. You know, I remember talking with Bethany McLean, who was the co-author of Smartest Guys in the Room when we were doing the Enron doc. We were going on the PR tour and the joke, which, I mean, it wasn't a joke, but the line that we would use every step of the way was, it wasn't about the numbers. It was about the people.

Well, I mean, I do think it's about the story. You know, I remember talking with Bethany McLean, who was the co-author of Smartest Guys in the Room when we were doing the Enron doc. We were going on the PR tour and the joke, which, I mean, it wasn't a joke, but the line that we would use every step of the way was, it wasn't about the numbers. It was about the people.

What made that story interesting were the characters. And, you know, there are a lot of issues that may be good and very important as issues, but may not lend themselves to a story. So first thing is, is there a good story? And then how do you tell that story in a way that is compelling to somebody who doesn't care at all about the issue? Right.

What made that story interesting were the characters. And, you know, there are a lot of issues that may be good and very important as issues, but may not lend themselves to a story. So first thing is, is there a good story? And then how do you tell that story in a way that is compelling to somebody who doesn't care at all about the issue? Right.

What made that story interesting were the characters. And, you know, there are a lot of issues that may be good and very important as issues, but may not lend themselves to a story. So first thing is, is there a good story? And then how do you tell that story in a way that is compelling to somebody who doesn't care at all about the issue? Right.

That's really the trick.

That's really the trick.

That's really the trick.

And I have no apologies about the idea that I think Ohio Confidential is a movie. You know, I do, too. It's patterned after Sunset Boulevard. You know, it's it's it's, you know, Michael Imperioli plays the character of Neil Clark. So, you know, I think it's because. Because you've got a lot of, you know, for people at home, they've got a lot of choices.

And I have no apologies about the idea that I think Ohio Confidential is a movie. You know, I do, too. It's patterned after Sunset Boulevard. You know, it's it's it's, you know, Michael Imperioli plays the character of Neil Clark. So, you know, I think it's because. Because you've got a lot of, you know, for people at home, they've got a lot of choices.

And I have no apologies about the idea that I think Ohio Confidential is a movie. You know, I do, too. It's patterned after Sunset Boulevard. You know, it's it's it's, you know, Michael Imperioli plays the character of Neil Clark. So, you know, I think it's because. Because you've got a lot of, you know, for people at home, they've got a lot of choices.

Like they can fire up, you know, whatever movie it is that they want to see or they can look at a doc. And in a way, that's your competition. But it's also a compelling reason to tell a story. I mean, the best nonfiction books read as compellingly as a novel because they pay attention to character and plot and narrative momentum.

Like they can fire up, you know, whatever movie it is that they want to see or they can look at a doc. And in a way, that's your competition. But it's also a compelling reason to tell a story. I mean, the best nonfiction books read as compellingly as a novel because they pay attention to character and plot and narrative momentum.

Like they can fire up, you know, whatever movie it is that they want to see or they can look at a doc. And in a way, that's your competition. But it's also a compelling reason to tell a story. I mean, the best nonfiction books read as compellingly as a novel because they pay attention to character and plot and narrative momentum.

I agree. Yeah, it's the story that matters. And that's how we learn. We learn with stories. You know, that's how we retain information.

I agree. Yeah, it's the story that matters. And that's how we learn. We learn with stories. You know, that's how we retain information.