Alex Gibney

If you're far behind in a sailing race, it doesn't make any sense to follow the same wind that's already got those boats that are way ahead of you. You tack on a different course and hope to catch a different kind of a wind. So at the moment, it's pretty bleak for trying to do personal art that's going to connect with viewers.

But the hope is, the hope at the bottom of Pandora's box after a lot of bad shit has come out, is that there is a new distribution mechanism out there that will allow this relationship once again to find a way. You know, and it's kind of what you see happening in journalism.

But the hope is, the hope at the bottom of Pandora's box after a lot of bad shit has come out, is that there is a new distribution mechanism out there that will allow this relationship once again to find a way. You know, and it's kind of what you see happening in journalism.

But the hope is, the hope at the bottom of Pandora's box after a lot of bad shit has come out, is that there is a new distribution mechanism out there that will allow this relationship once again to find a way. You know, and it's kind of what you see happening in journalism.

Like the Substack model is interesting because suddenly you see some people are making bank on Substack by going directly to their readers. Yeah. Interesting. That was the hope in podcasts for a while, too. And actually, I think podcasts, you know, some over time still find a way to get audiences, but it's not as easy as it seemed like it was going to be at first.

Like the Substack model is interesting because suddenly you see some people are making bank on Substack by going directly to their readers. Yeah. Interesting. That was the hope in podcasts for a while, too. And actually, I think podcasts, you know, some over time still find a way to get audiences, but it's not as easy as it seemed like it was going to be at first.

Like the Substack model is interesting because suddenly you see some people are making bank on Substack by going directly to their readers. Yeah. Interesting. That was the hope in podcasts for a while, too. And actually, I think podcasts, you know, some over time still find a way to get audiences, but it's not as easy as it seemed like it was going to be at first.

And also, you know, some key players in the distribution universe are are tech players who have other businesses. Yes. You know, if I'm Apple, do I want to do anything that's going to offend somebody and so they might not buy an iPhone or an iPad? And if I'm Amazon, do I want to do something that might offend somebody who might buy their sneakers on Amazon? You know?

And also, you know, some key players in the distribution universe are are tech players who have other businesses. Yes. You know, if I'm Apple, do I want to do anything that's going to offend somebody and so they might not buy an iPhone or an iPad? And if I'm Amazon, do I want to do something that might offend somebody who might buy their sneakers on Amazon? You know?

And also, you know, some key players in the distribution universe are are tech players who have other businesses. Yes. You know, if I'm Apple, do I want to do anything that's going to offend somebody and so they might not buy an iPhone or an iPad? And if I'm Amazon, do I want to do something that might offend somebody who might buy their sneakers on Amazon? You know?

No, I mean, I think they think, let's do stuff that's entertaining. And they hire executives who've been in the business before. But over time, tendencies emerge.

No, I mean, I think they think, let's do stuff that's entertaining. And they hire executives who've been in the business before. But over time, tendencies emerge.

No, I mean, I think they think, let's do stuff that's entertaining. And they hire executives who've been in the business before. But over time, tendencies emerge.

And the tendencies are, let's do the thing that worked the last time.

And the tendencies are, let's do the thing that worked the last time.

And the tendencies are, let's do the thing that worked the last time.

Yes, I think that's right. And you're looking over into the distance for... that swell that's going to be different. And I think it'll come, because it's always been like that. You know, you go back to the 20s and the 30s and the 40s. Think about what radio producers must have thought with the advent of television. It's over for us.

Yes, I think that's right. And you're looking over into the distance for... that swell that's going to be different. And I think it'll come, because it's always been like that. You know, you go back to the 20s and the 30s and the 40s. Think about what radio producers must have thought with the advent of television. It's over for us.

Yes, I think that's right. And you're looking over into the distance for... that swell that's going to be different. And I think it'll come, because it's always been like that. You know, you go back to the 20s and the 30s and the 40s. Think about what radio producers must have thought with the advent of television. It's over for us.

There was something I heard the other night. I went to a benefit for this small little outfit up in Maine, which is a place called the Carpenter's Boat Shop, where people who have found themselves betwixt and between spend time at a place where they learn how to build boats. Okay. Cool.