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Alex Heath

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327 total appearances

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

It's my understanding that you originally hoped Orion would be a consumer product when you first set out to build it.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

It's my understanding that you originally hoped Orion would be a consumer product when you first set out to build it.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

It's my understanding that you originally hoped Orion would be a consumer product when you first set out to build it.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

But to be clear, you're not selling Orion at all. When you made the call, I think it was around 2022, to say Orion is going to just be internal kind of dev kit. How did you feel about making that call? Was there any part of you that was like, man, I really wish this could have just been the consumer product we had built for years?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

But to be clear, you're not selling Orion at all. When you made the call, I think it was around 2022, to say Orion is going to just be internal kind of dev kit. How did you feel about making that call? Was there any part of you that was like, man, I really wish this could have just been the consumer product we had built for years?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

But to be clear, you're not selling Orion at all. When you made the call, I think it was around 2022, to say Orion is going to just be internal kind of dev kit. How did you feel about making that call? Was there any part of you that was like, man, I really wish this could have just been the consumer product we had built for years?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

I wore them for two hours and I couldn't really tell.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

I wore them for two hours and I couldn't really tell.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

I wore them for two hours and I couldn't really tell.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

Are you imagining that the first commercial version, whenever it is in the next couple few years, will it be a developer-focused product that you're selling publicly? You want it to be a consumer-ready product? That's why I'm asking about the strategy because Apple, Snap, others have decided to do developer-focused plays and get the hardware kind of going with developers early. Yeah.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

Are you imagining that the first commercial version, whenever it is in the next couple few years, will it be a developer-focused product that you're selling publicly? You want it to be a consumer-ready product? That's why I'm asking about the strategy because Apple, Snap, others have decided to do developer-focused plays and get the hardware kind of going with developers early. Yeah.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

Are you imagining that the first commercial version, whenever it is in the next couple few years, will it be a developer-focused product that you're selling publicly? You want it to be a consumer-ready product? That's why I'm asking about the strategy because Apple, Snap, others have decided to do developer-focused plays and get the hardware kind of going with developers early. Yeah.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

But you're kind of... Are you saying you're skipping that and you just want to go straight to consumer?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

But you're kind of... Are you saying you're skipping that and you just want to go straight to consumer?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

But you're kind of... Are you saying you're skipping that and you just want to go straight to consumer?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

A lot has been written about how much you're spending on Reality Labs. And you probably can't have an exact number, but if you were to guesstimate the cost of just building Orion over the last 10 years, are we talking five plus billion more than that?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

A lot has been written about how much you're spending on Reality Labs. And you probably can't have an exact number, but if you were to guesstimate the cost of just building Orion over the last 10 years, are we talking five plus billion more than that?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

A lot has been written about how much you're spending on Reality Labs. And you probably can't have an exact number, but if you were to guesstimate the cost of just building Orion over the last 10 years, are we talking five plus billion more than that?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

How does this partnership work? And this renew that you just did with them, how is it structured? What does this deal look like?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

How does this partnership work? And this renew that you just did with them, how is it structured? What does this deal look like?