Alex Honnold

They're kind of like, well, I don't know.

I mean, maybe you've got to try to live that way as much as possible.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean...

it'd be a long rambling multi-day conversation with them about, but I mean, following your own goals is, is I think, you know, certainly one of the cores of having a meaningful life, like having things that you find valuable.

I mean, really like living in line with your values, finding things that are important to you and pursuing them with as much as you can give them.

I mean, yeah, I went on a trip once where they called me the monk just because I was living such a sort of ascetic lifestyle.

I don't drink and I don't party just for personal preference or whatever.

So I'm just living in my little van and reading books and climbing all the time.

Those are the things that I'm into doing.

It's just doing what you want to do.

Yeah.

Probably not like deep clinical depression, but there's certainly periods from time to time where you're just like, what am I doing or why?

Or what are my goals?

Like, you know, what's, and I think to me, the most depressing thing is that, you know, I've put like my whole life in a climate, like trying to be the best you can be all the time.

And sometimes you put tons of effort in and you just don't see results.

Like for whatever reason, you just suck.

You're like, I'm trying so hard and I'm just like, not as good as I want to be.

And like, that's challenging, you know, but that's,

I mean, everybody faces that to some extent, where you're like, I'm working hard at a thing, but I'm just not achieving the results that I want.