Alex Honnold

The second build was a little nicer, and then this was a pretty nice build that I had for, I don't know, five or six years or something.

Like, to her credit, my mom was always pretty supportive of the whole path thing.

I think, you know, I was kind of lucky that I did a lot of this when I was like young enough that it's all part of like your gap year.

Like, you know, it's like you're young and you're finding yourself.

And then I think there was enough sort of external validation that my family could at least look at it and be like, well, you seem to be good at this random thing, even though we don't get it and don't really know what you're doing.

But at least other people think you're good at it.

So keep doing your thing.

Yeah, it's all a little bit of everything.

But basically just being a, I mean, you know, like being a professional climber, quote unquote, some of it's free soloing, some of it's like speed climbing, some of it's just hard climbing, some of it's going on expeditions, doing new routes, like it's a little bit of everything.

That's climbing without a rope.

So climbing without protection, which is definitely what I'm most well known for now.

But in the context of professional climbing, I've done tons of other things in climbing.

Like most of the time you have a rope on, most of the time you're doing other sorts of things.

But it's like the free soloing is what you might have been well known for because that like breaks into the mainstream a lot more.

Yeah, I turned 40 this year.

Slow a little bit.

And then like this-ish.

Yeah.

And then kind of like... And then basically just like this.

Where you basically like kind of flat but growing.