Alex Hutchinson

And so there's a tendency, I think, to think about exploration or about the challenges we might face as a price you have to pay for the occasional, for the payoff that, yeah, it's going to be hard if I try and do this thing, but, you know, there's a chance it's going to lead to something good. So it's worth putting up with the difficulty.

And what the effort paradox says is that's the wrong way to think about it. That in fact, if something is hard, if running a marathon or climbing a mountain is hard and That's actually part of the attraction. We do it because it's challenging, because the feeling of doing something challenging makes it feel meaningful to us.

And what the effort paradox says is that's the wrong way to think about it. That in fact, if something is hard, if running a marathon or climbing a mountain is hard and That's actually part of the attraction. We do it because it's challenging, because the feeling of doing something challenging makes it feel meaningful to us.

And what the effort paradox says is that's the wrong way to think about it. That in fact, if something is hard, if running a marathon or climbing a mountain is hard and That's actually part of the attraction. We do it because it's challenging, because the feeling of doing something challenging makes it feel meaningful to us.

And so that is a different way of thinking about the challenge, that we shouldn't run away from things that are hard, but we should realize that whether it's running a marathon or whether it's having kids or whether it's buying furniture from Ikea, sometimes doing things that are hard actually is kind of the point and is what makes it feel good.

And so that is a different way of thinking about the challenge, that we shouldn't run away from things that are hard, but we should realize that whether it's running a marathon or whether it's having kids or whether it's buying furniture from Ikea, sometimes doing things that are hard actually is kind of the point and is what makes it feel good.

And so that is a different way of thinking about the challenge, that we shouldn't run away from things that are hard, but we should realize that whether it's running a marathon or whether it's having kids or whether it's buying furniture from Ikea, sometimes doing things that are hard actually is kind of the point and is what makes it feel good.

I think we can answer that on a few different levels. And I think if we go deep enough, what we're really saying is that Being curious about the unknown, always wanting to know what's around the next corner or what's over the horizon has been good for us as a species, that it's helped us to survive. It's helped us to find new resources and figure out better ways of doing things.

I think we can answer that on a few different levels. And I think if we go deep enough, what we're really saying is that Being curious about the unknown, always wanting to know what's around the next corner or what's over the horizon has been good for us as a species, that it's helped us to survive. It's helped us to find new resources and figure out better ways of doing things.

I think we can answer that on a few different levels. And I think if we go deep enough, what we're really saying is that Being curious about the unknown, always wanting to know what's around the next corner or what's over the horizon has been good for us as a species, that it's helped us to survive. It's helped us to find new resources and figure out better ways of doing things.

So we explore fundamentally because it helps us learn about the world. Now, when I'm on vacation, I'm not necessarily like, I really need to know what's around that corner so I can learn about the world and propagate the species. I... over time we've evolved so that exploring feels good.

So we explore fundamentally because it helps us learn about the world. Now, when I'm on vacation, I'm not necessarily like, I really need to know what's around that corner so I can learn about the world and propagate the species. I... over time we've evolved so that exploring feels good.

So we explore fundamentally because it helps us learn about the world. Now, when I'm on vacation, I'm not necessarily like, I really need to know what's around that corner so I can learn about the world and propagate the species. I... over time we've evolved so that exploring feels good.

It feels fun to resolve, to find an area that I don't know something about, to find an area of uncertainty and to resolve that uncertainty, to learn about the world. So I think in the modern sense, in the proximate sense, we're driven by curiosity because it's fun, because it feels good, because we enjoy it.

It feels fun to resolve, to find an area that I don't know something about, to find an area of uncertainty and to resolve that uncertainty, to learn about the world. So I think in the modern sense, in the proximate sense, we're driven by curiosity because it's fun, because it feels good, because we enjoy it.

It feels fun to resolve, to find an area that I don't know something about, to find an area of uncertainty and to resolve that uncertainty, to learn about the world. So I think in the modern sense, in the proximate sense, we're driven by curiosity because it's fun, because it feels good, because we enjoy it.

But the underlying reason is because that's a good thing for a species to have is the desire to learn about the world.

But the underlying reason is because that's a good thing for a species to have is the desire to learn about the world.

But the underlying reason is because that's a good thing for a species to have is the desire to learn about the world.

I think so. And I think, you know, When I talked to one of the psychologists who works on the effort paradox about this, we got into talking about the meaning in life, which is a heavy topic, right? And so I was like, I don't know what meaning is. What does it mean to say that something is meaningful?