Alex Wagner

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It was never in question whether Don Lemon was a shrinking violet, right?

Like that's never been your brand, right?

But I kind of wonder, you know, you and I have both made the move from establishment media to independent media, right?

Me from MSNOW, you from CNN.

We won't go into the circumstances of those departures.

You're still there, though.

You still have a big voice.

Yes, I go and hang out with my buds on set sometimes.

But, you know, I'm not working.

That's not my home anymore.

anymore and CNN isn't your home and you have built a new home for yourself and an extraordinary one at that.

I wonder, you know, how that transition has changed your approach to journalism and like the way... First of all, let's just say right up front, it is a hustle, right?

Like it is full on.

We're both working...

Real hard.

You're working harder than I am.

But like, do you think that, you know, being out there, being, you know, who you are in this new media landscape changed you and made you more tenacious?

Especially in moments like, you know, when the Trump administration's coming after you?