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Alex Wagner

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The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

If we're scared, then everyone else is fucked, right? Like, so these guys were supposed to have, they've been marching across this bridge. the Elizabeth Bridge. And the Orban government was like, oh, it's Tuesday. You're going to try and do this again. We're not going to give you the permit. So instead of marching across the bridge, they start jaywalking across the street.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

And then the cops were like, yeah, we're going to arrest. There's like tons, hundreds of riot police there with helmets and tear gas. And they're like, you can't jaywalk across the street. So they have this purple smoke bomb. It's like a smoke candle that the leader of the opposition uses to signal to everybody, it's time to move.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

And then the cops were like, yeah, we're going to arrest. There's like tons, hundreds of riot police there with helmets and tear gas. And they're like, you can't jaywalk across the street. So they have this purple smoke bomb. It's like a smoke candle that the leader of the opposition uses to signal to everybody, it's time to move.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

And then the cops were like, yeah, we're going to arrest. There's like tons, hundreds of riot police there with helmets and tear gas. And they're like, you can't jaywalk across the street. So they have this purple smoke bomb. It's like a smoke candle that the leader of the opposition uses to signal to everybody, it's time to move.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

So they walk literally hundreds, if not thousands of people across town to a different bridge. And they cross that bridge and they sit on the bridge and And they're there and the police come up and eventually they have to be moved, but they get it done. The sense of tenacity, and I don't want to say this the wrong way, but there is a joy in their resistance that seems real absent in ours, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

So they walk literally hundreds, if not thousands of people across town to a different bridge. And they cross that bridge and they sit on the bridge and And they're there and the police come up and eventually they have to be moved, but they get it done. The sense of tenacity, and I don't want to say this the wrong way, but there is a joy in their resistance that seems real absent in ours, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

So they walk literally hundreds, if not thousands of people across town to a different bridge. And they cross that bridge and they sit on the bridge and And they're there and the police come up and eventually they have to be moved, but they get it done. The sense of tenacity, and I don't want to say this the wrong way, but there is a joy in their resistance that seems real absent in ours, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

And I think part of the way you win is... is by bringing back a zeal and an optimism, maybe even some humor. There's a sort of very Central European dark humor in all of this, right? That they're fighting. It's almost Sisyphean, sometimes it feels like. but they continue to do it.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

And I think part of the way you win is... is by bringing back a zeal and an optimism, maybe even some humor. There's a sort of very Central European dark humor in all of this, right? That they're fighting. It's almost Sisyphean, sometimes it feels like. but they continue to do it.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

And I think part of the way you win is... is by bringing back a zeal and an optimism, maybe even some humor. There's a sort of very Central European dark humor in all of this, right? That they're fighting. It's almost Sisyphean, sometimes it feels like. but they continue to do it.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

And I think, I'm not saying that we have to categorize or think of our work as Sisyphean, but like the joy of it, the joy of trying to fight for a better thing is like, we need to bring that back, I think, to the American sort of protest movement and the opposition.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

And I think, I'm not saying that we have to categorize or think of our work as Sisyphean, but like the joy of it, the joy of trying to fight for a better thing is like, we need to bring that back, I think, to the American sort of protest movement and the opposition.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

And I think, I'm not saying that we have to categorize or think of our work as Sisyphean, but like the joy of it, the joy of trying to fight for a better thing is like, we need to bring that back, I think, to the American sort of protest movement and the opposition.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

And you know this, Tim, the thing that people miss about Trump and those Trump rallies, it's a dark joy, but there's a joy there. It's a church revival. Yeah. And like the left needs to find its own sort of spiritual belonging in all of this, some sort of catharsis and joy. And I think that that's got to power it as much as the anger and the discontent and the rage.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

And you know this, Tim, the thing that people miss about Trump and those Trump rallies, it's a dark joy, but there's a joy there. It's a church revival. Yeah. And like the left needs to find its own sort of spiritual belonging in all of this, some sort of catharsis and joy. And I think that that's got to power it as much as the anger and the discontent and the rage.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

And you know this, Tim, the thing that people miss about Trump and those Trump rallies, it's a dark joy, but there's a joy there. It's a church revival. Yeah. And like the left needs to find its own sort of spiritual belonging in all of this, some sort of catharsis and joy. And I think that that's got to power it as much as the anger and the discontent and the rage.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

Well, I'm sad that this is the end of my 100-day experiment in the sense that there's so much more work to be done. I think we as media have really failed the American people by being so focused on the eastern corridor of the United States. We don't tell the stories of the human beings who are directly affected by this stuff and really on both sides of the aisle.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

Well, I'm sad that this is the end of my 100-day experiment in the sense that there's so much more work to be done. I think we as media have really failed the American people by being so focused on the eastern corridor of the United States. We don't tell the stories of the human beings who are directly affected by this stuff and really on both sides of the aisle.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

Well, I'm sad that this is the end of my 100-day experiment in the sense that there's so much more work to be done. I think we as media have really failed the American people by being so focused on the eastern corridor of the United States. We don't tell the stories of the human beings who are directly affected by this stuff and really on both sides of the aisle.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1032: Tony Blinken: America Alone

Like I was super moved by the story of the cancer survivors and the cancer deaths in Louisiana, your state. And what it means to dismantle environmental justice programs at the EPA and the human cost of that.