Alex Wagner

De-escalate?

No, what's it called?

De-program.

De-program.

They need to be de-programmed.

I mean, and that is an important distinction.

It's not propaganda.

And I think that there's an established sort of baseline of truth and the pursuit of reality.

I will ask you, my friend, before we let you go, two things.

Hopefully you like answering both of these questions.

You are...

I mean, it's not a coincidence that I'm talking to you the week this massive profile comes out about you in the New York Times.

There's national interest in what you're doing, the fight you're fighting against the Trump administration.

You've always been in the public eye, but this feels like a different level, right?

This is why you're a great reporter.

You're in your power.

Dare I say, you're in your prime.

I wonder.

I'm giving you a chance.

Like, has this, what you're doing now, you know, I'm not trying to air out anybody's age here, but, like, this is not the normal, like, sort of metabolism, the normal career arc that we see, right, after you've been in the game for some decades.