Alex Wagner

And I talked to Chris Ruffo yesterday, the architect of a lot of Trump's anti-woke agenda. And he's like, we got the public is with us 100%. And until and unless there is real public disfavor and a sense that the public isn't with them, then maybe they're right.

I don't believe that they are because I fundamentally don't believe that the values that are being reflected in this administration are in sync with where the country that I know is at. But I mean, where is everyone? I think people feel demoralized and beaten down and confused and just overwhelmed.

I don't believe that they are because I fundamentally don't believe that the values that are being reflected in this administration are in sync with where the country that I know is at. But I mean, where is everyone? I think people feel demoralized and beaten down and confused and just overwhelmed.

I don't believe that they are because I fundamentally don't believe that the values that are being reflected in this administration are in sync with where the country that I know is at. But I mean, where is everyone? I think people feel demoralized and beaten down and confused and just overwhelmed.

But I also don't think that's an excuse because this is the country and it's all moving fast, but that's exactly why people need to get involved if they have an issue with it.

But I also don't think that's an excuse because this is the country and it's all moving fast, but that's exactly why people need to get involved if they have an issue with it.

But I also don't think that's an excuse because this is the country and it's all moving fast, but that's exactly why people need to get involved if they have an issue with it.

I would say also like the more cases that the Supreme Court is really good at nibbling around the edges and a number of things in each of its opinions, right? Like the affirmative action case, you know, with Harvard and admissions, you know, that's the jurisprudence they're working off of to do all this DEI stuff, right? Like there's precedent set in all of these rulings.

I would say also like the more cases that the Supreme Court is really good at nibbling around the edges and a number of things in each of its opinions, right? Like the affirmative action case, you know, with Harvard and admissions, you know, that's the jurisprudence they're working off of to do all this DEI stuff, right? Like there's precedent set in all of these rulings.

I would say also like the more cases that the Supreme Court is really good at nibbling around the edges and a number of things in each of its opinions, right? Like the affirmative action case, you know, with Harvard and admissions, you know, that's the jurisprudence they're working off of to do all this DEI stuff, right? Like there's precedent set in all of these rulings.

Honestly, regardless of whether they're favorable or not favorable, Clarence Thomas opens the door to maybe rescinding gay marriage and throwing that out the window, too. You don't want to have to get the whole Trump agenda in front of the 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court. That's not a great long-term play, to your point. And like public outcry matters.

Honestly, regardless of whether they're favorable or not favorable, Clarence Thomas opens the door to maybe rescinding gay marriage and throwing that out the window, too. You don't want to have to get the whole Trump agenda in front of the 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court. That's not a great long-term play, to your point. And like public outcry matters.

Honestly, regardless of whether they're favorable or not favorable, Clarence Thomas opens the door to maybe rescinding gay marriage and throwing that out the window, too. You don't want to have to get the whole Trump agenda in front of the 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court. That's not a great long-term play, to your point. And like public outcry matters.

It really pissed Trump off that there was a women's march the day after his inauguration. It really did. And maybe, I mean, I don't know how that, you know, informed the decisions he made in the weeks thereafter. But I do think the public saying this isn't us, you can't do this in our name is really meaningful. And it helps. I think the machinery of democracy requires that.

It really pissed Trump off that there was a women's march the day after his inauguration. It really did. And maybe, I mean, I don't know how that, you know, informed the decisions he made in the weeks thereafter. But I do think the public saying this isn't us, you can't do this in our name is really meaningful. And it helps. I think the machinery of democracy requires that.

It really pissed Trump off that there was a women's march the day after his inauguration. It really did. And maybe, I mean, I don't know how that, you know, informed the decisions he made in the weeks thereafter. But I do think the public saying this isn't us, you can't do this in our name is really meaningful. And it helps. I think the machinery of democracy requires that.

It doesn't have to be just a generalized march. There are really specific things and specific groups of peoples and institutions that could be at the center of any and every protest. And I think that that would have a maybe more meaningful impact in Trump 2.0 than just, you know, kind of a march on the mall.

It doesn't have to be just a generalized march. There are really specific things and specific groups of peoples and institutions that could be at the center of any and every protest. And I think that that would have a maybe more meaningful impact in Trump 2.0 than just, you know, kind of a march on the mall.

It doesn't have to be just a generalized march. There are really specific things and specific groups of peoples and institutions that could be at the center of any and every protest. And I think that that would have a maybe more meaningful impact in Trump 2.0 than just, you know, kind of a march on the mall.

Like, when I was outside the Treasury Department, it was like, it wasn't huge, but it was like a thousand people. And it felt like, okay, this is... this is both a protest and a rally, right? This is in a meaningful inflection point for the Democrats and the citizens who are watching this and are not okay with it. And there needs, I think, to be more of that and should be targeted.