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Alexandr (Alex) Wang

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

intelligent life you think so for sure the the but the benefit or i don't know if the benefit but the but like part of the issue is if we're really really really far apart like like millions of light years apart hundreds of millions of light years apart there's no way we're ever going to communicate with each other like we're just like super duper far away from each other um so i think that's plausible and then the there's the um

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

You know, there's what's called the dark forest hypothesis.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I think this is one of the things I actually believe the most in, probably.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So you have the Fermi paradox.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

It says basically like,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

hey, what are the odds that there's no intelligent life out there in the universe?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

It's probably zero.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

There has to be some intelligent life somewhere else in the universe.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then the question is like, why aren't we seeing any?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Why aren't we seeing any aliens?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Why aren't we coming into contact with them?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And so then there's all these like, how do you explain why that is?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And there was this...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

There's this hypothesis called the Dark Force Hypothesis, which originally came out of a sci-fi novel, actually, but is the one that jives the most with my thoughts, which is the reason you don't run into other intelligent life is if you play the game theory out, if you're an intelligent life, you don't actually want to be like...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

blaring to every other intelligent life that you exist because if you do that then They're just gonna come and take you out like you're basically like you become like a huge target for other forms of intelligent life and There's you know, some intelligent lives out there are gonna be hyper aggressive are gonna want to take out You know other other forms of intelligent life.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So the dark forest hypothesis is that

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Once you become an intelligent life form and you become a multi-planetary species and all that, you realize that you're kind of best off minding your own business and not, you know, sending all these sorts of signals and trying to like make contact with other life because it's higher risk to do that than to just kind of like, you know, stay isolated.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And so there is intelligent life out there.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

There are aliens out there, but everybody's incentive is just to stay isolated.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah, there's definitely... I mean, there's definitely the other portion of this, which is UFOs are a conspiracy such that the military can do all sorts of airborne testing and it gets discredited because people say it's UFOs and then...