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Alexandr (Alex) Wang

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And so you can just find, like, some power station in, like, Wyoming that still has the username and password's username and password.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

You log in and you can shut down the entire power in the entire region.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So the, like...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So our grid, just because of how antiquated it is, how decentralized it is, all of that, is hyper, hyper susceptible to cyber attacks, hyper susceptible to foreign action, foreign activity.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And that matters now.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Like, right now, if you take the energy grid in a major city, people will die.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So it's like, it's bad now.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

But then let's go back to what we were just talking about with AI.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Like, let's say we have large-scale AI on AI warfare with China.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

They just take out the power grid, take out our data centers and the power fueling those data centers, and then we're sitting ducks.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

how we combat that.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I mean, just like the... Where did that happen elsewhere?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Look at Salt Typhoon.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

This was a recent hack that was declassified, which is that...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Chinese malware and cyber activity basically had fully infiltrated our major telecom providers.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I think AT&T was entirely compromised by this hack called Salt Typhoon from the CCP.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And they did that so that they could read all the messages, like all the SMS, all the audio, they were able to capture as part of that, as part of an Intel gathering operation.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

But if they're able to hack into our telco, they've sure as hell, they're clearly capable of hacking into our energy grid, clearly capable of hacking to any of our other critical infrastructure.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And it just goes back to what we're talking about, like the energy grid,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

A, if we can't produce enough power, we're hosed.