Ali Kashani

that are trying absolutely everything under the sun to find all these interesting ways. Like our idea of robots was not very popular when we first started, but now you're getting to see the results and it's getting more popular. I'm sure you probably felt that way at the beginning of,

voting on your phone and then everybody is complaining about these voting machines. But the fact that all these people are out there trying different things and eventually some of these ideas actually work and can have such material impact. All right, Ali, thank you. Thank you so much. That was a conversation between Bradley Tusk and Ali Kashani for our original series, TED Intersections. Visit TED.com to watch this conversation and others from the series.