Ali Moreno

And that's, I think, how Arsenal fans feel.

There's never been more interest from Kieran in watching Newcastle playing against Katabak and any time the scorer goes, yeah!

Yeah, another goal for Newcastle, which then means that, of course, the legs would be fresh against Manchester City.

Arsenal should not be in this position, where they're depending upon Kieran putting out there a draw so that Manchester City drops some points so that then Arsenal can get their full points against Spurs and the stress is gone.

They should not be in this position.

But the stress is here, and the stress is not going away, Kieran.

Not even if you make it a draw.

It's still here.

That's a good comment there, Bodo shaming.

But I think we get the message though.

And I think the big picture is that and it's something that we have discussed in the show many times is that

For those of us that can remember the 90s and the 80s, I know people nowadays think of the 80s and the 90s as, wow, a completely whole other universe.

But yeah, there were the 80s and there were the 90s.

And Italy, and Italian football in particular, was the top of the top.

the best of the best.

If you were among the best players in the world, that's where you wanted to go and play.

And so to then see this contrast and this fall from grace, that it has been happening over time, we've seen it happening,

We see how the trajectory of other leagues is going in a different direction and Serie A haven't been able to keep up, haven't been able to keep up with infrastructure, haven't been able to keep up in terms of how they present their product, haven't been able to keep up in terms of how they develop their own players, how they nurture the Italian player.

In all honesty, if you are to pick out an Italian player out there in the world that say, that guy, if we're putting an all 11 from all over the world, is there an Italian player in that team?

Where there used to be two, three, four, it's not the case now.