Alice Bentinck

And it's not necessarily, you know, that we play ping pong every day.

It's the work itself is fun and gives me joy and challenges me.

And so, you know, when I look at the founders that I work with,

I think ultimately they do have a lot of fun.

You know, they hire people that they want to work with.

They're working on a problem they really care about.

I suppose when I see founders who aren't having fun, it's often because they've gone after a customer that they don't want to spend time with.

You know, they don't want to go to a conference with a thousand of, you know, insert customer type.

And then, you know, I'm always surprised when there's a founder who's, you know, 22 and is obsessed with what I think is actually a pretty boring industry or pretty boring customer.

And they're so excited to go to, I don't know, Denver to hang out for two days with this particular group of customers.

I would probably put more in a sort of less fun category.

So I think you need to understand what your version of fun is.

But the great thing about startups is I just think they are a more fun place to work.

But it's not, I don't think it's about the kind of peripheral benefits.

It's about the core work itself.

You're solving a problem you love.

You have high agency, high autonomy.

And that is the fun.

But, you know, that said, we also at EF, we take the whole company away for a week to, we've done Italy, we've done Spain, we've done Lisbon.

And there's some work, but there's also some fun.