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Alice Han

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Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

Happy Year of the Fire Horse.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

Well, Ed, it's definitely true that Chinese AI has bolted from the stables, to borrow a horse metaphor.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

And as you rightly say, we've got a couple of models that have just come out.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

Zipo's GLM.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

We've also got Quen, the new Quen 5 Max model that's come out.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

We've also got new AI video generation models that

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

that have taken Hollywood, I think, by huge surprise and shock and consternation.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

But generally, when I look at the models, and I've been using them in the last few days, what's clear to me is that they have improved.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

They are faster.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

They are more cost effective if you obviously compare them to the closed proprietor models offered by

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

OpenAI, as well as by Claude, for instance.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

But really, my frustration with this debate is that it's apples to oranges.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

People are going to use the Chinese models differently.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

I think the fact that Brian Chesky, the Airbnb CEO, says outright a couple months ago that a lot of his engineers are using this for agentic chatbots.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

because it's cheaper and faster, seems to suggest that the use cases for this are very different, the Chinese models that is, than the American closed models.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

Firstly, a lot of engineers and just everyday people are using and experimenting with the Chinese models.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

Quinn, for instance, they're downloading them locally, fine-tuning them and using them for their particular use cases, any kind of projects that they may be involved in.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

It's got improved privacy because they're downloading it locally.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

It's cheaper, often 10 to 20 times cheaper than what's offered by OpenAI and Claude.

Prof G Markets
China’s AI Is 20x Cheaper — And Catching Up

So really, they're using this very differently from, say, potentially you and me, Ed.