Alie Ward

But it's so much less stigma than if you had sex with someone who using protection.

Right.

Which is so interesting to me.

But again, going back to like moral stuff, but.

When it comes to getting tested, because like those two words are like getting tested, that's hard to talk about with partners.

But also I think a lot of people are like, for which ones though?

Which ones can you test for?

Which ones are covered by insurance?

How big of a panel?

How often?

But you know, I'm curious too, like you mentioned, if there's no suspicions, if you're in a monogamous relationship, but...

You never know, right?

I see so many TikToks that are like, I had no idea my partner was like cheating on me with like 16 people.

Or they're like, hey, if you've got a husband named Keith in Salt Lake City Airport, he's with his mistress.

I guess that's the whole thing about cheating is like, you don't know, right?

You never know.

Right?

And so if you did know, it wouldn't maybe be cheating.

But how, you know, how...

With so many apps and with just increased sort of availability to people who might also be willing, how does one really know?