Alistair Bunkall

We see the Israelis doing that a lot around there as well in that particular conflict.

That helps a lot.

Smaller anti-air munitions as well.

I mean, using a fighter jet...

to try and intercept drones can be effective, but it takes a bit of time to locate them.

It's very expensive just to fly them.

It's very expensive to use the air-to-air missiles that they use.

It's not what you want.

These are cheap drones, and you want something reasonably cheap to shoot them down.

And even a sort of Patriot missile battery, which does the job, the American system, is still expensive.

Yeah, I mean, it is often the way in wars.

Unfortunately, one of the sort of the byproducts of a war is that you become incredibly sophisticated and adept in the modern way of war fighting and often medicine as well.

And we're seeing that with Ukrainians.

And they are now extraordinarily exporting this intellectual property and this know-how, not just to European countries, but to the Middle East as well because of the threat from Iran.

They do.

I think it's an interesting dynamic at the moment.

The Institute for the Study of War, which is one of the very credible bodies that follows day by day exactly what's going on in Ukraine, has in the last few days changed its analysis of who has the upper hand.

And the Ukrainians are now finally starting to, well, they've certainly halted Russian advances and starting to have a real impact

into Russian supply lines, major road arteries as well for resupply, and are starting to regain a bit of territory.

Slowly, this is not a big dramatic pushback, but they are starting to win the war in areas where it counts.