Alistair Campbell

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Welcome to The Rest Is Politics with me, Alistair Campbell.

And with me, Rory Stewart.

Today, we're going to be talking about Iran, the Strait of Hormuz and energy and renewable energy before we get in the second half on to the tragedy of Henry Nowak and his murder.

And what that means for British politics.

But the first half comes out of a conference that Alistair and I just attended in Finland, where we had some very interesting conversations about renewable energy and about Ed Miliband and about Britain's energy policy and the world's energy policy, which I suspect we're going to get into a bit of an argument about where I'll be taking more of the side of his friend, Tony Blair.

But we're also going to look at the biggest unreported story, I think, which is probably the biggest story in the world right now, which is the way in which the Strait of Hormuz, which continues to be blocked, is on the verge of crippling Asian economies, African economies, European economies.

And not just through oil, which is people talking about, but through oil products, jet fuel, diesel, NAFTA.

fertilise that and the way in which no national politicians are being honest about the fact that Donald Trump has driven us into something that is probably one of the worst economic crises that we've faced in living memory, and something that we're very, very poorly prepared for.

So, Alison, let's start maybe back with the conference.

Tell us what you felt about it.

Tell the audience about the conference.

It was, of course, as always, completely astonishing and impressive, the progress, and particularly many of the Nordic countries, which are getting incredible backup.

renewables from things like hydro.

And of course, Spain, which is doing incredible stuff on solar.

One of the problems in the debate, of course, is very quickly people will say, well, look, how come this is happening in Scandinavia or how come this is happening in Spain and it's not happening in Britain and Britain can do the same?

And the truth is Britain doesn't have that enormous hydro and it doesn't have the sun that Spain has.