Allison Morris

She said during these counselling sessions that McCulloch would either go to the bedroom or he would go outside to the garage because the counselling was meant to be one-to-one on her own.

Then in 2023, she was contacted by police who said that when they had removed devices and removed his computers, they found recordings of those counselling sessions that had been covertly recorded.

They say his defence obviously said that there was a different reason why those recordings existed.

So after this, when we heard that the recordings had been placed, she was questioned by John Kearney, Casey, who is representing his defence.

He's representing Stephen McCullough.

And he quite gently questioned her because the witness was, you know, she was talking about very sensitive subjects and clearly quite fragile and vulnerable.

He said, yeah, it is right that you've had problems with your mental health generally and that the defendant, his client, had tried to help you.

Is that right?

And she said, yes.

She also said that you had told him you wanted to kill yourself that evening, the evening she described in the car, so he saved you from yourself.

And she said at the time, yes, because he put me back into the car.

He also claimed at the counselling sessions that she would have been aware that they were being recorded.

Yeah, so he gave evidence to the court and he said that, as we know, this was the night of the World Cup final.

Natalie had been in her parents' house watching the World Cup final.

He said that he had also been watching the World Cup final and then watching Netflix till around 8.50, he said, when his wife went to put their child to bed.

He then said he went to use the downstairs bathroom and at about 9pm he said he heard some noises, banging and a scream from next door, which he said sounded female and lasted for around five seconds.

He said he couldn't hear what was being screamed and wondered what had happened but heard nothing after that.

Another neighbour, she had a face and then she'd said that Miss McNally didn't usually close her blinds.

But that evening they were completely down and she said that this was unusual.

Miss Henry also said she heard a scream which drew her attention.