Allison Pugh

So she had a name for them. She called them her inventions. She was very young. I think she meant that they were a kind of art or maybe that she was inventing, that she would be imagining what she could do with them or something. But I really viewed them as junk. I actually threw them out. And she still remembers that and reminds me.

And, you know, to me, it's really a primary moment of me not seeing her and how she viewed these small, we'll call them treasures.

And, you know, to me, it's really a primary moment of me not seeing her and how she viewed these small, we'll call them treasures.

And, you know, to me, it's really a primary moment of me not seeing her and how she viewed these small, we'll call them treasures.

it didn't land well at all. I have a very unusual lifestyle, I think, that she probably doesn't see very often because I row crew and I have done so for 30 years. And right now I'm involved in a team that's very intense. in Washington, D.C., which involves one to two hours daily. I also don't have any caffeine. I don't have any alcohol. I think I'm an unusual person health-wise.

it didn't land well at all. I have a very unusual lifestyle, I think, that she probably doesn't see very often because I row crew and I have done so for 30 years. And right now I'm involved in a team that's very intense. in Washington, D.C., which involves one to two hours daily. I also don't have any caffeine. I don't have any alcohol. I think I'm an unusual person health-wise.

it didn't land well at all. I have a very unusual lifestyle, I think, that she probably doesn't see very often because I row crew and I have done so for 30 years. And right now I'm involved in a team that's very intense. in Washington, D.C., which involves one to two hours daily. I also don't have any caffeine. I don't have any alcohol. I think I'm an unusual person health-wise.

And so when she was like, these are elevated, try not to have so many cookies, she didn't see the person she was talking to. She didn't really have all that context that can produce a good witnessing moment, and along with it, good advice.

And so when she was like, these are elevated, try not to have so many cookies, she didn't see the person she was talking to. She didn't really have all that context that can produce a good witnessing moment, and along with it, good advice.

And so when she was like, these are elevated, try not to have so many cookies, she didn't see the person she was talking to. She didn't really have all that context that can produce a good witnessing moment, and along with it, good advice.

Yeah, the fabulous writer Abraham Verghese has called that the eye patient, that we're all to some degree an eye patient, meaning a patient that exists almost more by computer than in our holistic embodied selves in front of each other. And if that is how you feel, that often will affect whether or not you do what they say.

Yeah, the fabulous writer Abraham Verghese has called that the eye patient, that we're all to some degree an eye patient, meaning a patient that exists almost more by computer than in our holistic embodied selves in front of each other. And if that is how you feel, that often will affect whether or not you do what they say.

Yeah, the fabulous writer Abraham Verghese has called that the eye patient, that we're all to some degree an eye patient, meaning a patient that exists almost more by computer than in our holistic embodied selves in front of each other. And if that is how you feel, that often will affect whether or not you do what they say.

Like it's going to take a lot more than that to have me stop eating cookies.

Like it's going to take a lot more than that to have me stop eating cookies.

Like it's going to take a lot more than that to have me stop eating cookies.

Sure. Yeah, Hank. He started off as a minister in a very large church in the Washington, D.C. area. And he started a whole bunch of programs for low-income youth in in the community. So he started tutoring centers and I think sports camps and all sorts of things to try and reach kids. And by his account, he did reach them.

Sure. Yeah, Hank. He started off as a minister in a very large church in the Washington, D.C. area. And he started a whole bunch of programs for low-income youth in in the community. So he started tutoring centers and I think sports camps and all sorts of things to try and reach kids. And by his account, he did reach them.

Sure. Yeah, Hank. He started off as a minister in a very large church in the Washington, D.C. area. And he started a whole bunch of programs for low-income youth in in the community. So he started tutoring centers and I think sports camps and all sorts of things to try and reach kids. And by his account, he did reach them.

They would come to his tutoring centers and they would kind of hang out with him and share stories. And he felt like he had attained some real connection to those youth. And he was so proud of it, as he's telling me. And then he gets a job in another city, moves there, but he ends up losing that job and feeling really defeated in that moment.