Amanda Knox

Justice Kennedy was the swing vote, a very pivotal vote.

But what it took was coalition and authentic relationships.

And it takes strategy, but I think sometimes people think that the strategy leads, but really it's the authentic relationships first.

And once you have that,

then you can employ a strategy with those authentic relationships that then can move the movement.

And I think also movement is about collective, collective leadership.

And it is about collective power.

And I think when I think about the work around like

when with black women that has really been the power behind when with black women is the collective nature of when with black women because the the the notion for when with black women is that we all have power right like you don't need institutional power you don't need positional power to have power no matter who you are where you sit yes you have some type of power that can

be a contribution to the collective place that we are moving together as a people.

So if you can just think of us as we're all on this journey together, we're all on the big highway together, we're in our individual cars, but we're moving, as long as we're moving in the same direction,

we're moving forward.

Not everybody's going to drive the same color car or have the same car.

We're not all going to drive at the same speed.

But if we're moving in the same direction with the goal of getting to the destination, that's how we can have, I think, strong positive movements.

I love that.

I love that.

Now, we talked about your holy yes and your sacred no.

When do you know when it's time to say yes to something?

I'm sure you get a lot of calls, like, of things to take on.