Amanda Scott

I'm really interested in the idea of cultural appropriation has become such a thing that people step up to with huge righteous anger.

And rightly, I can see that there are things that we need not to do.

But on the other hand, if our culture, the Western trauma culture, does not learn from indigenous peoples how to connect to the web of life while there's still time, I think we're toast.

And we have to do that in a way that is honouring, but we have to do it in a way that is real and works.

And that feels also like quite a narrow knife edge to walk.

Where does the ought take you?

Jason Hickel in this book, it's amazing.

What is an economy for?

Exactly.

But what was really interesting is the humans had managed to work out the most efficient route.

I thought when I saw that, oh, the slime mold's going to work out something, but oh no, it hasn't.

The humans actually got there, which I thought was quite disappointing.

But it shows Japanese ingenuity.

They had worked out the best route around Tokyo.

Gosh, there's so much in there I want to unpick.

And yet, I want to look at language and I want to look at CRISPR.

Yes.

Because it does seem to me we're still back to what are the motivations?

I hear you and I believe you and I know that

If you walked out into the middle of Edinburgh or the middle of whatever town is around here, I made the mistake of going to the food centre near here.