Amanda Scott

But largely, there is evolution happening as a byproduct of careless impact.

And yet, it could be careful impact.

And there is, I think, and I want to know if you think, still time for us to step back from the brink and

and do things with more awareness.

We'll only do it with more awareness if we understand ourselves to be integral nodes in the web of life.

And first of all, does that land with you?

How does that land with you?

And second, where does it take us in terms of not being the accidental drive towards things that we don't understand and can't predict?

And to what I was saying, you spent a lot of time travelling the world.

You've been to a lot of places to talk to a lot of people with this book.

So there's a lot of impressive actual travelling as well as cognitive travelling.

Sorry, carry on.

If we go down that rabbit hole, we're not going to get to your book.

And I really want to go down that rabbit hole.

This is the single most exciting conversation I can imagine having at the start of 2026 when I think we have to make this bifurcation.

We have to, we as a species, have to decide it's time to shift.

However, let's take a little bit of time to celebrate your book and all of the things that you explored and the different ways that different things are...

adapting and and some of them so i have a key question and it's my understanding of genetics is pretty basic and you know i did vet school in the 80s so it's a long time ago and epigenetics wasn't a thing then and i am not clear

how much of the genetic change that we're seeing, because you had things like the frogs that go into the most contaminated liquid there is on the planet coming out of some vast slaughterhouse in Australia.

And they go in and they come out bright green, but they come out, they survive, and they've shed the fungus that was assailing them.