Amanda Scott

Yes.

It's amazing.

And it feels very like our indigenous forebears who used every part of an animal they killed.

And now we're using every part of an instrument that someone has lovingly made.

Yeah.

And you create a space.

I want to get into dreaming, but let's not go there yet.

Sorry, I interrupted.

Let's take a little sidestep because a lot of the book is about animals and how they've been forced to adapt.

So, for instance, I did not know that we were forcing the evolution of tuskless elephants because the ones that have no tusks survive because the poachers don't want them, which just makes me want to hurl things at the wall.

However, you headed down a bit of an avenue with human design of cities, of buildings, of the place in Brighton that is 98% made of recycled stuff, and with Janine Benyus and the biomimicry.

And we talked to Michael Pollan on this podcast a while ago.

And so...

It seems to me, at the moment, as you said, most of our buildings are designed for one purpose.

We're either designing to look beautiful and to be functional, or we're designing to be cheap and functional.

And as Lou, who does the video, said, you know, we've got this triangle.

It can either be, there are three things, cheap, beautiful, and effective.

And it can be two of the three.

But we don't think about the end of its life.

And you write in the book of a play park in the Netherlands, I think, or Belgium, that's made out of