Amanda

I'm Abby. I'm Amanda. It's so nice to be with you. Thank you for making the time.

This is really an honor to be with you. Look at that cute book you've got on your shelf there.

This is really an honor to be with you. Look at that cute book you've got on your shelf there.

This is really an honor to be with you. Look at that cute book you've got on your shelf there.

It's her most precious space is the bathtub.

It's her most precious space is the bathtub.

It's her most precious space is the bathtub.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Right. There's many reasonable responses possibly, but not giving up on the future of the planet doesn't seem reasonable. One of the parts of your work that feels so revolutionary, and I'm so glad you

Right. There's many reasonable responses possibly, but not giving up on the future of the planet doesn't seem reasonable. One of the parts of your work that feels so revolutionary, and I'm so glad you

Right. There's many reasonable responses possibly, but not giving up on the future of the planet doesn't seem reasonable. One of the parts of your work that feels so revolutionary, and I'm so glad you

just mentioned it feels like very in the zeitgeist of this moment in terms of what we're experiencing politically and civically is that it seems like the rise in power of Trumpism, it's really easy as a galvanizing force to be against something. That is very easy. It is harder to imagine and to galvanize people towards a vision of something better. You know, it's easy to break.

just mentioned it feels like very in the zeitgeist of this moment in terms of what we're experiencing politically and civically is that it seems like the rise in power of Trumpism, it's really easy as a galvanizing force to be against something. That is very easy. It is harder to imagine and to galvanize people towards a vision of something better. You know, it's easy to break.

just mentioned it feels like very in the zeitgeist of this moment in terms of what we're experiencing politically and civically is that it seems like the rise in power of Trumpism, it's really easy as a galvanizing force to be against something. That is very easy. It is harder to imagine and to galvanize people towards a vision of something better. You know, it's easy to break.

It's harder to make. And that is, I feel like what the moment that we're in and what you identify so beautifully is like that people only run toward what they can see. We know these solutions are there, but like we can't see that picture. We can't see that world that is different than the world we're in. And so if we could see it, we wouldn't have to convince people to run toward it.

It's harder to make. And that is, I feel like what the moment that we're in and what you identify so beautifully is like that people only run toward what they can see. We know these solutions are there, but like we can't see that picture. We can't see that world that is different than the world we're in. And so if we could see it, we wouldn't have to convince people to run toward it.

It's harder to make. And that is, I feel like what the moment that we're in and what you identify so beautifully is like that people only run toward what they can see. We know these solutions are there, but like we can't see that picture. We can't see that world that is different than the world we're in. And so if we could see it, we wouldn't have to convince people to run toward it.

They would just do it because they'd want that for themselves. And I think that's true of whatever's going to get us out of MAGA is going to be someone painting that picture of the different way and that people want to go toward that. And I think it's true of this world that we're living in with the planet.