Amanda

Then you lose that kind of allure that they are the ones that will save us.

There's a super sinister way of looking at this, which is that, I mean, it's not sinister, it's human nature, that if I know that there is a problem, the solution to which will hurt me, I need to get in charge of solving that problem.

So I can come up with an alternate solution that doesn't hurt me.

So this is your whole theory of win-win being a myth that billionaires can be benefactors of philanthropy.

The paradigm is we will never ask them to stop doing harm.

We will only ask them

to do good.

The problem of women's access that you described, you have this crazy situation in which the corporations that are purporting to solve that problem, they offer us lean in circles, right?

The way for you to get ahead is to have lean in circles and women's committees and women's initiatives, right?

This is the solution that's being proposed because it's the only one that doesn't threaten them while at the same time they are actively lobbying

to overrule what is in the public interest, what would actually solve the problem, which is paid family leave and child tax care credits.

They're putting out a little puppet that says, here is our solution.

Look at us actively doing the good and solving the problem while behind the curtain, they are fighting tooth and nail to actually kill what would be the solutions while they take credit for doing good in the world.

Right, like it's clear here.

We know who the good guys are, we know who the bad guys are.

We know who the rich, we know who are the poor.

It's un-American.

It's un-American because we don't do that because every man for himself, because if I worked so hard, I should get what I pay for without paying for someone else, without realizing that the entirety of our society is subsidizing directly the invention of billionaires.

This is what makes me want to just light my hair on fire is because we are acting like

We are subsidizing the poor with food stamps, with welfare, with whatever.