Amanda

And the way that we make peace with our bodies is we put our bodies in those spaces and we start loving our neighbors in small ways and following the people who are leading.

What do you think when you hear that, Sissy, about parents with little ones right now?

I mean, I just can't imagine.

I have big ones and I'm struggling remembering their names and to look at them and like to be present with them because I'm so scared of the world I'm leaving them in that I'm just leaving them now.

So do you have any thoughts about that?

God damn, if we could only organize the resistance like we organize a graduation party.

We struggle to find the time to show up for resistance work or liberation work because we have to pay our bills, because we don't have enough, because we alone have to make our families survive.

And those things are so connected because we don't have community.

That's what we're saying.

If we get involved in these little things, we have community that then

collectively cares for each other and collectively, but the individualism we've been forced to inside of white supremacy and capitalism forces us to be so alone that we feel like we don't have the time because we're too terrified of not surviving in our aloneness because nobody can survive alone.

The climb to exceptionalism, it's like the culture, the ethos of all of this is individualism and exceptionalism.

The reason that we are so obsessed with spending 80 hours a week manipulating our children's lives so that they might get a scholarship.

Some sort of survival of the fittest thing we're doing that is still tied to individualism, that is still tied to like, I just have to give my kid the edge.

so that she can make it, which is so awful.

And so we shouldn't have to live that way.

And also, wouldn't it be amazing if we switched to collectivism, which is like, how do we create a different world where they all get to survive and thrive?

not just through the skin of their teeth and through our manipulation and obsession, but because there are structures that make sure that no one falls through the cracks.

They're just all completely tied together and it's a chicken and an egg thing.

And I think that you're exactly right.