Amy Clifford
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There was some challenges because we didn't actually know where Ellen was living. So the way you bring about a divorce is, A, like I said, I'm very practical. So I'll just call the other party and say, hey, are you also interested in getting a divorce? And if they are, there's like path one, which is called a joint divorce. I tried to go that path, but it didn't work. And then...
There was some challenges because we didn't actually know where Ellen was living. So the way you bring about a divorce is, A, like I said, I'm very practical. So I'll just call the other party and say, hey, are you also interested in getting a divorce? And if they are, there's like path one, which is called a joint divorce. I tried to go that path, but it didn't work. And then...
a contested divorce. So this is the other path, which is like not the easy path where one party files and then the other person answers and then there's just a whole bunch of back and forth until a judge grants a divorce. So I remember filing a 1B petition and then trying to serve Ellen and being unable to serve her. She wouldn't give me her address, which makes it impossible to move forward.
a contested divorce. So this is the other path, which is like not the easy path where one party files and then the other person answers and then there's just a whole bunch of back and forth until a judge grants a divorce. So I remember filing a 1B petition and then trying to serve Ellen and being unable to serve her. She wouldn't give me her address, which makes it impossible to move forward.
In the meantime, Ellen filed for divorce. which is stupid because it costs money to file divorce. And so that was just a waste to have two divorces open. But we ended up withdrawing our complaint for divorce and moving forward with her complaint for divorce. I did get the sense it was very important to Ellen that she be the defendant.
In the meantime, Ellen filed for divorce. which is stupid because it costs money to file divorce. And so that was just a waste to have two divorces open. But we ended up withdrawing our complaint for divorce and moving forward with her complaint for divorce. I did get the sense it was very important to Ellen that she be the defendant.
When I started talking to her, she was very mistrustful of me. Ellen filed her divorce herself without an attorney. So a normal hearing in this matter is like the parties deliver financial statements, like explaining what their financial position is, and they tell the court whether they agree with this divorce and what are the issues. But I showed up and Ellen had this story.
When I started talking to her, she was very mistrustful of me. Ellen filed her divorce herself without an attorney. So a normal hearing in this matter is like the parties deliver financial statements, like explaining what their financial position is, and they tell the court whether they agree with this divorce and what are the issues. But I showed up and Ellen had this story.
She was requesting restraining orders against not Jake, but against Jake's dad and I think his brother. And she had a whole story where they were abusing her. And I was like, what is going on? And so I tried to work with her to understand where she was coming from and, you know, see what statements she had written in the affidavits. So you
She was requesting restraining orders against not Jake, but against Jake's dad and I think his brother. And she had a whole story where they were abusing her. And I was like, what is going on? And so I tried to work with her to understand where she was coming from and, you know, see what statements she had written in the affidavits. So you
If you request a temporary restraining order from the court, you have to write an affidavit that says, like, why you're asking for it. And you have to have a certain number of incidents. And you have to be actually, like, in fear of, you know, your own personal safety. And if you meet all these standards, then the court will grant it. And they often do this in, like, family court matters.
If you request a temporary restraining order from the court, you have to write an affidavit that says, like, why you're asking for it. And you have to have a certain number of incidents. And you have to be actually, like, in fear of, you know, your own personal safety. And if you meet all these standards, then the court will grant it. And they often do this in, like, family court matters.
But this came out of the blue for me. I did not understand what this was about. Because as far as I understood, Alan and Jake's dad hadn't been in a room together for years. well over a year at least. So you have to have reasonable fear of your safety in it. To my understanding, there was no set of facts where somebody could be reasonably in fear. But she's very pretty.
But this came out of the blue for me. I did not understand what this was about. Because as far as I understood, Alan and Jake's dad hadn't been in a room together for years. well over a year at least. So you have to have reasonable fear of your safety in it. To my understanding, there was no set of facts where somebody could be reasonably in fear. But she's very pretty.
She's very well put together. And she's pretty articulate. And she seemed really afraid. Like she presented herself as being very afraid of Jake's dad and Like, had I not been there to contradict the story that she told, I'm pretty sure she would have gotten a temporary restraining order. I think that was the first time where I really questioned what was going on with Ellen.
She's very well put together. And she's pretty articulate. And she seemed really afraid. Like she presented herself as being very afraid of Jake's dad and Like, had I not been there to contradict the story that she told, I'm pretty sure she would have gotten a temporary restraining order. I think that was the first time where I really questioned what was going on with Ellen.
I remember then she hired an attorney. And, you know, obviously, when somebody hires an attorney, you never speak to them. You speak to their attorney. So she hired an attorney named Catherine Periculus. And then from there on, I would speak to Attorney Periculus about the matter. So I was like, oh, great. I got another attorney involved. This should be easy.
I remember then she hired an attorney. And, you know, obviously, when somebody hires an attorney, you never speak to them. You speak to their attorney. So she hired an attorney named Catherine Periculus. And then from there on, I would speak to Attorney Periculus about the matter. So I was like, oh, great. I got another attorney involved. This should be easy.
You know, these parties don't have anything to fight over and they both want to get a divorce. So quickity quick, bang, bang, bang. Like, you know, I think we should be done with this soon.
You know, these parties don't have anything to fight over and they both want to get a divorce. So quickity quick, bang, bang, bang. Like, you know, I think we should be done with this soon.