Amy Dangerfield

You couldn't really see.

You really had to like peel your eyes to see one white Australian in this whole like grouping of people, which was in the thousands.

And yeah, it speaks a lot to where Australia is at.

Desperate times call for desperate measures, Ian.

They're doing their thing for a reason.

And this just radicalizes everyday people more who aren't really tapped into what's going on, people who perceive this as scary.

And that's why you're getting things like, did you guys see the woman who was trying to intercept ICE officers when they were actually trying to carry out a pedophile sting operation?

It's insane.

Yet they perceive the ICE officers as worse than detaining pedophiles.

Like not just illegals, but illegal pedophiles.

Right, but to go into the house to obstruct the actual operation.

So is there a path to de-escalation?

They're not.

I mean, I kind of get your point.

That's what I was saying at the start of the podcast.

It seems like he's been more concerned with renaming things than actually focused on carrying out business, getting business done.

But that's how it looks to the uninitiated.

I think a lot more people are more uninitiated than what we think because we're so immersed in this space.

Like we think that everybody, because most of the people that we interact with and talk to on a day-to-day basis are involved in this space.

But I think there's still a lot.