Amy Walter

will put the interests of those people first?

Or is it we need to have more of those voices?

Yeah, that's kind of messy.

It's real messy.

And New Jersey is a really great place to sort of zero in on because you do.

You have a majority Black district there.

You have a majority Hispanic district there that if you did chop it up and spread it out, could really help Democrats.

Yeah.

I don't know that it would make it more fair.

I do think at its core, one of the biggest challenges we have is the primary process, right?

Which was designed more than 100 years ago to deal with another political problem we had, which was the sort of backroom, smoke-filled room way in which... Nominees came to be.

Let's be clear, the corrupt way that literally you had...

People basically picked by a handful of folks, including business interests and et cetera, picking who the nominee would be.

And the idea of opening up to the people was that, to your point about protecting versus preserving democracy, boy, that was a really great way to protect and preserve democracy, right?

Making it one that took it out of the hands of the few and put it in the hands of many.

But now the primary process has become as corrupted as it was back then.

The amount of money that is coming into these primaries by outside groups

Many of whom are attached either to an issue or a corporate interest is skyrocketing.

The people who show up and vote in primaries ideologically are very far left or right.

And so that leaves us now in a primary system that is absolutely fundamentally broken and