Ana Swanson

So we're still waiting to see how many other countries will respond. But a lot of them have threatened to retaliate. So we had been expecting Wednesday to be Liberation Day, but Thursday to be Retaliation Day.

So we're still waiting to see how many other countries will respond. But a lot of them have threatened to retaliate. So we had been expecting Wednesday to be Liberation Day, but Thursday to be Retaliation Day.

Other countries have been drawing up lists of American products that they could target, including farm goods, particularly products from red states where a lot of Trump supporters are located. And that could definitely hurt American exporters quite a lot.

Other countries have been drawing up lists of American products that they could target, including farm goods, particularly products from red states where a lot of Trump supporters are located. And that could definitely hurt American exporters quite a lot.

Yeah, I mean, it's certainly sustained quite a death blow this week. And I think if you were to ask President Trump, that would be his hope.

Yeah, I mean, it's certainly sustained quite a death blow this week. And I think if you were to ask President Trump, that would be his hope.

Right. So I met Peter Navarro when I was covering trade policy in Trump's first term. And he's an interesting person because he had a very unusual journey to the White House. And he had views about trade in China that were considered pretty unconventional and unpopular. But over time, these views have become one of the driving forces of Trump's trade policy. Exactly.

Right. So I met Peter Navarro when I was covering trade policy in Trump's first term. And he's an interesting person because he had a very unusual journey to the White House. And he had views about trade in China that were considered pretty unconventional and unpopular. But over time, these views have become one of the driving forces of Trump's trade policy. Exactly.

So recently I went to see him again with two colleagues from The Daily.

So recently I went to see him again with two colleagues from The Daily.

We met him at the Eisenhower Executive Office building, which is just west of the White House. And we sat down with him in his office to understand how he came to have these ideas about trade and tariffs.

We met him at the Eisenhower Executive Office building, which is just west of the White House. And we sat down with him in his office to understand how he came to have these ideas about trade and tariffs.

And now that he's in the role that he's in, what his ideas could mean for the country. So, Dr. Navarro, you are synonymous with Donald Trump and his agenda. But not all that long ago, you were a Democrat. So tell us that story. Where does that story start?

And now that he's in the role that he's in, what his ideas could mean for the country. So, Dr. Navarro, you are synonymous with Donald Trump and his agenda. But not all that long ago, you were a Democrat. So tell us that story. Where does that story start?

So when you started talking, what did you learn? So he talked about being raised by a single mom, how he was a latchkey kid. He also loved school, and he did well, and he goes on to Tufts University. And after he graduated in the 1970s, he's thinking he wants to see what the world is like and travel a little bit.

So when you started talking, what did you learn? So he talked about being raised by a single mom, how he was a latchkey kid. He also loved school, and he did well, and he goes on to Tufts University. And after he graduated in the 1970s, he's thinking he wants to see what the world is like and travel a little bit.

And then one day, kind of randomly, he's walking around the Berkeley campus and this guy asks him, hey, want to go to Thailand?

And then one day, kind of randomly, he's walking around the Berkeley campus and this guy asks him, hey, want to go to Thailand?

And that guy happened to be recruiting for the Peace Corps.

And that guy happened to be recruiting for the Peace Corps.