Anders Hejlsberg

But then we have, now we have the foundation for great tooling, and then we could build a great tooling on top and actually create a wonderful development experience, right?

There's a collective DNA, you know, that has been trained to pull you in the other direction.

Right.

And, and, and so that battle was, we were right in the center of that and we've, we full well knew that there was absolutely zero chance that we would appeal to the JavaScript ecosystem.

with a proprietary programming language license from Microsoft.

No.

No one was going to come.

It had to be open source.

There was just no two ways about it, right?

But getting that off the ground inside Microsoft, it took some pulling.

And we paid some taxes.

We did eventually get the okay to do open source because we had two technical fellows, myself and Steve Luko, who was the other co-inventor of TypeScript, insisting that that was what we had to do.

And so, okay, there are

People weren't going to debate that.

But, of course, you have to pay the tax and be on Microsoft's open source repository called CodePlex, where exactly no one was.

And so we were there for the first two years.

And it kind of was crickets, you know.

And it wasn't until 2014 when we moved on to GitHub that things really started to get moving.

with adoption.

And also, honestly, it totally changed our workflow.