André Duqum

misguided effort to think of non-human intelligence in the ways that we think of human life.

Like we have this tendency to think of UFO crafts operating the way like an advanced airplane would, you know, traversing across the universe in the way that we would through space and time.

And so, yeah, what comes up for you when...

we stop thinking about extraterrestrial life from the human-centric lens and that non-human intelligence may very well look or act or behave absolutely nothing like we do.

Yeah.

Or even the conception of a food chain would be hilarious, you know, from the perspective of an interdimensional being.

I think like... They've transcended that.

Yeah.

And that the medium in which non-human intelligence would traverse would be, like we said, through the way we perceive things

traversing the cosmos through Newtonian physics.

I'm just curious because you seem like you really have this balance of empathy and epistemic rigor when it comes to studying all these different abduction stories, for example, which sounds so out there, especially for somebody who's never had a...

transpersonal subjective experience.

Like it just sounds like, you know, quacky stuff, you know?

And yet you see, you hear reports from people that seem very level-headed, that seem very sincere and,

You know, it's tough to gauge someone's level of what they're trying to maybe garner from something.

But yeah, I know you've come across pretty compelling, you know, stories from various different accounts.

And so maybe you could like lay out one or two or just like, you know, and in doing so, share how you kind of think of having that balance of empathy and the rigor when it comes to that.

When it comes to actually working with retrieved, proposed retrieved crafts and non-human biologics, what's the most mind-blowing thing that you learned and talked about in your conversations with him?

Because that's...

That, to most people, is, like, what would really move the needle in terms of the scientific approach of, like, if you have an alien being that was apparently worked on and crafts that were retrieved, you know, Nolan's, you know, small samples of...